200: Successful Failures ft. Gogo Bethke, Chuck Garcia, Anthony Trucks, Rene Rodriguez, Sharon Lechter, and Dr. Amanda Barrientes

November 27, 2023

Join us for a monumental milestone as "The Root of All Success" celebrates its 200th episode with an extraordinary exploration into the intriguing realm of "Successful Failures."

In this special edition, our esteemed host The Real Jason Duncan is joined by an illustrious panel of thought leaders, each a luminary in their respective fields, offering unique perspectives on the indispensable role of failure in the journey to success.

Meet the Distinguished Panel:

🌟 Gogo Bethke: A renowned entrepreneur and motivational speaker, Gogo brings her wealth of experience in turning setbacks into stepping stones for unparalleled success.

🌟 Chuck Garcia: Author, TEDx speaker, and executive coach, Chuck delves into the psychology of failure and how embracing it can catalyze personal and professional growth.

🌟 Anthony Trucks: Former NFL player turned life coach, Anthony shares his remarkable story of resilience, illustrating how overcoming failures is a key component of achieving lasting success.

🌟 Rene Rodriguez: An expert in leadership and human behavior, Rene sheds light on the strategic advantage that understanding and learning from failure can provide in the pursuit of greatness.

🌟 Sharon Lechter: Bestselling author and financial literacy advocate, Sharon explores the relationship between financial success and the ability to navigate and learn from failures.

🌟 Dr. Amanda Barrientes: Psychologist and resilience expert, Dr. Barrientes offers insights into the psychological mechanisms that transform failures into stepping stones for personal and professional triumph.

In this dynamic episode, our illustrious guests engage in a thought-provoking discussion on their personal encounters with failure, sharing anecdotes that illuminate the transformative power embedded in setbacks. Listeners will gain invaluable lessons on resilience, adaptability, and the indispensable role that failure plays in the journey toward true success.

Prepare for a riveting and inspirational conversation that transcends conventional notions of success. Tune in to "The Root of All Success" for Episode 200, where the boundaries between success and failure blur, revealing a tapestry of triumph forged in the crucible of setbacks. Don't miss this unparalleled celebration of wisdom, resilience, and the untold stories behind every triumph!

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Episode Transcript

welcome to the root of all success with the real Jason Duncan a podcast that explores how the world's most powerful entrepreneurs unlocked success and how their stories can help you do the same a successful educator turned entrepreneur Jason has built multi-million dollar businesses that have been featured in Inc magazine and Entrepreneur magazine his life's Mission now is helping entrepreneurs live what he calls #the exit lifestyle introducing tedex speaker mastermind leader author entrepreneur cigar fishing anado motorcycle Enthusiast and host of the root of all success the real Jason Duncan the real Jason Duncan welcome to a very special edition of the root of all success hello I am the real Jason Duncan and I'm really glad that you're here because today is my 200th episode of the root of all success and we were talking pre-show with some of the guests and you know 200 of anything as one of them said is is pretty special for for me to have you as a listener be with me on this journey to go from doing this and not knowing what the heck I was doing recording these to where now I've got to some superstars on the show today to celebrate my 200th episode thank you for listening thank you for subscribing thank you for being here and without any further Ado I want to introduce our special guests we have a guest panel of wonderful superstars from my first 200 episodes of the podcast that I'm bringing back for this wonderful show today to talk about successful failures and every one of these people that I'm about to introduce are successful failures they failed but they didn't stay there they moved past it into something greater and we're going to use their stories and their instructions and their tips and their advice to encourage you as an entrepreneur to move through your failures into success so please help me welcome my special guest for today we're going to start with the introduction of Mr Chuck Garcia Chuck is a former Bloomberg Global Marketing head and industry leader in executive training he founded climb leadership International he coaches Executives on leadership development public speaking and emotional intelligence he has clients like Bloomberg Bank of China JP Morgan so this guy's no slouch he's a professional speaker he teaches leadership communication at Columba University he was on episode number 24 recorded back in May of 2021 Chuck welcome back to the 200th episode man Jason thank you for having me it is such a pleasure to be here all right and next on our list is the one and only goo bety she's a Hungarian Ian real estate entrepreneur she started her career in 2011 with just $6 and no experience she's got over 75,000 Instagram followers and she's achieved over5 billion dollar in team transactions and part of the top 3% realtors in the nation she also runs online boot camps she started her own TV show called goo preneur she joined exp in 2018 and she has attracted over 12008 agents worldwide and she was episode number 141 on the root of all success go go welcome back to the 200th thank you it's my absolute honor in this lineup I'm glad that you're here and then next is Dr Amanda Dr Amanda bentes known as the mindset healer and manifestation Ninja for entrepreneurs she's the founder of inner power daily an international best-selling author she's a professional speaker she's the host of the top two 2% globally rated podcast called inner power entrepreneur after going from food stamps to building a sixf fig business very fast it's become her superpower to teach entrepreneurs The Law of Attraction strategies to reprogram their energy their mindset their habits so that they can experience rapid business growth she was episode number 102 and uh Amanda welcome back to number 200 psych to be here Jason what an honor to be on the 200th episode thank you I'm glad I'm so glad you're here and then next is Sharon Lecter she is a financial literacy expert a keynote speaker and a business Mentor she's co-author of the Rich Dad Series so if you've read Rich Dad Poor Dad this is the person behind all that she has advised two US presidents and she is responsible for re-energizing the Napoleon Hill writings and teachings which I'm going to give a quote in Napoleon Hill in just a minute she's also the author of exit rich and her latest release is how many how money works for women and she was episode number 148 on the show so Sharon welcome back thank you Jason delighted to be with you and all these incredible people all right and then next and finally is Anthony trucks Anthony is a foster kid turned NFL athlete and serial entrepreneur he's a leading expert in shifting which is a process of internal and external identity shifts he uses his unique coaching system the shift method to help individuals achieve their goals revealing that their goals were set far below their true potential and Anthony was episode number 30 way back in the day Anthony welcome back to the show thank you having me man appreciate it always good to hang out with you well we've got a great panel of people here on the show today and we're going to be talking about successful failures and I going to start off as I teased just a moment ago with a quote from Napoleon Hill actually sent this out to my Mastermind group just yesterday um because I share quotes from Napoleon Hill with them all the time he said this your failure your failure may prove to be an asset provided that you know why you failed your failure may prove to be an asset provided you know why you failed so I'm going to throw it out there to all of you as on on the panel this question how do you mentally approach failure is there a is there a mindset a ritual that helps you cope with it and I'm going to start with Chuck what do you think about that I think about it in two ways Jason one of them when I got out of college and I started my sales career at Bloomberg I read a book by Tom Hopkins called how to master the art of selling and it became biblical to me and he talked a lot in addition to sales tactics and questioning techniques my thinking is driven by what I learned in that book in two dimensions number one he said throughout the entire book there is no failure there is only feedback so what he was saying is you can decide how you choose to approach it but to your point on Napoleon Hill he drove home in my mindset the same thing you didn't fail you think about why you didn't succeed which is flipping the model and the second thing Jason that I want to add he wrote In the book on page 122 of this sem work something called the Creed of the ch champion and I drilled it into my head 41 years ago and I live it every day and it said I am not judged by the number of times I failed but by the number of times I succeed and the number of times I succeed is in direct proportion to the number of times I fail and keep trying that is in my head every second that's how I think about it all right uh I think we've heard the quote about Babe Ruth was was one of the had the Home Run uh record for years and years and years but he also holds the the strikeout record so that there is a proportion between those two so that mindset is very helpful Anthony what what do you think about that do you have a approach to failure a mindset yeah I mean I think we all kind of have to right because it's kind of the natural part of our Lives I think when I first hear this I my gut goes to whenever I fail I immediately go like tuck me away from the world anybody to see me I'm a it's an embarrassment thing and and what we do is usually find ways to uh to soften the blow for ourselves so we'll you know create some unique excuse for some reason what I've learned to do is literally look at myself and go all right this is real you know breathing in that's human and then go what do I have control over within it so that usually gives me this uh first off a poking internally which I think is healthy for me to be able to be critical of myself without being like super condemning but then it gives me this one uh kind of next move which I I heard this from a guy named Dan Nitro on he was from American Gladiator back in the day he says action ends suffering in those moments of failure we're suffering with this feeling and this this weight and this shame and sometimes embarrassment or like actual you know we call it Financial base you're losing something and in that the only thing that ends the suffering is some form of action is the first action who know second third may not be the first 20 right but there will be an action that will end that suffering and so for me I immediately go to all right what's the next best move or next right move even if I don't feel like doing it what's the next one to do and I move into it and it helps alleviate the P pain of failure in time I love that I I I I'm a guy who talks about the magic is always in the action so it's with anything and and I like that I like that perspective Anthony because the Magic's not just in the action when you learn something you can read a book I mean most of us here are authors you know we we we can write that book but it's not in the reading of it it's in the acting it out but but I love what you just said is that in the magic is also in the action of moving past failure so that's a that's a great great tip what about you go go do you have any specific mindset techniques or uh any ideas about how you handle failure mentally move through it oh yeah failure for me it's super simple it's just a lesson I haven't learned yet right so if something if I'm failing at something I always look at it okay God what am I supposed to learn from this one right because the faster you learn it and you'll never do it again so U failures are just lessons I love it they're all lessons you either if you learn from it it's not a failure you're moveing next what about you again what about you Dr Amanda I so agree when I read this question I thought is failure an option I don't really think of I fail because I don't think of failure as failure I think of it as learning lessons along the way and so anytime you perceive yourself failing ask yourself what's the lesson and in that way I love the connection with the quote failure is an asset when you choose to look at where you think that you might have failed how can you ask yourself what you learned from it so that next time you can do better and it really connects you back to why you're doing what you're doing in the first place and knowing that failure is just a stepping stone on the way to where you're going and it's part of the process I always think of growth as a spiral growth curve and so that failure piece might be at the bottom of the growth curve but it's going to excel you to the next evolution of your growth yeah that very very important perspective there what about you Sharon well Napoleon Hill also said out out of every failure every adversity comes a seed of an equal or greater benefit and so I tell people you know it's really important particularly women we tend to have a failure Define us we carry our failures along with us and so I said a failure Is An Occurrence not a definition so it happens say okay what's the lesson and what's the benefit and when there's if you wait a few months and you look back you usually can figure out why it happened and you know life happens for you not to you and every failure if we learn from it is a stepping stone to the next success yeah I I'm glad you brought that quote up and it doesn't surprise me that it was you that brought that quote up but that is one of my favorite Napoleon Hill quotes and and I think people need to run that back and listen to that again because every failure has the seed of an equivalent or greater benefit not not the full-fledged benefit I mean it's not you fail and then the next thing you get is amazing success there's a seed of that that's going to come in now speaking of failure we have a sixth guest on the show today Renee Rodriguez who was fail he had a failure of getting into the show and he's now coming into the studio so let's make sure he's here Renee are you with us my man can you hear us are you there Renee are you with us we can see you Renee are you there I'm here can you hear me yes we can hear you well thank you for persisting through your failures to get your computer to work right our theme today is succeeding on the backside of failure so I think this is appropriate Renee Rodriguez let me do an introduction for everybody so that Renee now can be introduced to the group we thank you for coming here Renee Rodriguez is a best-selling author a keynote speaker leadership advisor and transformational speaker coach he uses behavioral Neuroscience to solve leadership sales and change challenges his bestselling book amplify your influence can be found on Amazon and all major retailers and and and Renee was guest on episode number 105 Renee I know you're a little bit late because you had some issues with the computer but welcome to the show welcome sorry about that we we figured out a back door and a new version of Chrome and we got smart people helping us out so I appreciate it so Renee what do you think do you have a mental approach to failure yeah I think it comes down to the frame and how you explain failure to me failure is part of the process with the price of Entry to anything you know how many times would you give your CH your child a chance to to walk he's not going to walk two three times and you be like he not cut off walking you're just it's part of the process it's part of the learning process failure can be a really beautiful thing if you really learn to embrace the learning with it we've just become so uh scared of of not wanting to fail that it just becomes debilitating so I think when you realize that awkwardness is a requirement for growth failure is a requirement for growth you just look at it as part of the process love it and the mindset about failure really is what it is right I mean if you focus on and this is this is a theme of all of our answers if we focus on on the failure itself we focus on the negativity and we stay and we live in that we can't move past that to become successful so now the question becomes more personal for all the guests and I'm not going to go in order I'm not going to call on you I'm just going to let you whoever wants to go first go first you can ask each other questions but I want you to really bear your soul for a moment you don't have to go too deep but what was your most challenging failure that you had to recover from and then what did you learn from it what was your most challenging failure that you had to recover from from and what did you learn from it who would like to tackle that question first Sharon well I'll go because I talk about the uh ailure giving the seed of an eer greater benefit my very first Endeavor after I left Public Accounting in the world of Entrepreneurship I went with a client to buy a company out of bankruptcy and within a couple of weeks of being there I found all kinds of corruption so I was a newly Meed CPA scared to death I was going to lose my license so I went away for a little bit came back and I knew I had to leave in order to save myself wasn't sure what the next chapter was but they were in the midst of a bunch of litigation because the bankruptcy and they had a young lawyer come in my office he was in my desk going through my desk drawers on discovering the lawsuit and his name was Michael Lecter so we just celebrated 43 years of marriage so it's proof positive out of every adversity comes the seed of an equal or greater benefit my worst business decision gave me my best life decision oh that's awesome yeah found found your husband in the middle of that that's great anybody else want to comment or answer that question I'll go yeah Amanda you know I it's interesting for me it's relationships I struggled so much with relationships the reason I started being an entrepreneur was because I had left my 15-year marriage having an affair my next relationship wasn't working so there's this huge moment where in that next relationship I found out that he was having an affair and we had just rented this huge house and we had all these expenses and you know it was a really big breakdown moment where I thought oh my God am I going to make it as an entrepreneur and he really told me straight out I don't know if I want to be with you because you are too high of an achiever and you're not very feminine because you're such a high achiever and so it really caused a lot of money blocks for me and thinking like wow if I'm a powerful woman in the world making a lot of money how am I going to be be perceived in relationships and so in this huge relationship Fallout I I went back to a lot of relationship work and now I'm super happily married to my best friend we work together and so you know in that relationship failure and then striving in my business and deciding to to own my power instead of letting that knock me down I've become a leader of now my company with my husband working for me after he left his seite job nice nice very good or anybody else want to Bear their soul on a bad failure go go well kind of two lessons I learned from this when I started a company because it sounded like a good idea we can easily make money with it right um few months in I realized it requires a lot of my time and we weren't making as much money to equal just my time alone we were profitable don't get me wrong but my hourly rate um is much higher than what we were making right and so I learned that lesson from it is that um you need to calculate what your time is worth before you go into not every good idea is a great idea um so I just decided flat out just to close down the company and we close out the books of business and stuff so the second lesson I learned from that one is that I should have sold the company because just because it's not worth for me in my early rate we were very profitable it would have worth it for somebody else but instead I just I was like I'm done like I just Clos it down so I learn two lessons from it number one figure out your allate before you head into something and uh number two sell it when it's profitable don't just close it down good that's good advice what about you Chuck you you said you had something to share let's take a quick break to thank our amazing sponsors for making this podcast [Music] possible as an entrepreneur I know that you have to deal with sales on a regular basis I mean every entrepreneur does and if you aren't paying attention to sales as an entrepreneur you're not going to be an entrepreneur for very long but I've got a sponsor of this show called dub that helps you bring the personal back to sales if you want to figure out how to improve content creation imp improve client trust uh improve your sales process decrease the sales cycle because we 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thejason duncan.com duub thanks for listening to our sponsors now back to the show I I do and I want to go back to an episode that that was the most embarrassing moment in my career and also became the best teacher and what the failure Jason is failure to live up to my own leadership and behavioral expectations so it was one day my fifth year in my career at Bloomberg I was asscending in this wonderful organization I had a lot of people that on paper I led and one day a substandard employee that I expected that needed to give me something that I was going to hand my CEO named Mike Bloomberg handed me a piece of crap my temperament got the best of me and in front of a hundred people instead of staying calm and giving him positive feedback back I lost my temper in ways that were unimaginable I felt at the time when I had lost and I was emotionally hijacked that the entire world was shining a spotlight on me I was never more embarrassed for the way that I behaved he did not deserve the Wrath that I just laid on him and for the next day I went home thinking oh my God I am never going to my reputation has just been shattered it wasn't I recovered from it but Jason what it taught me went home on the train that day on the commuter train and I said I need to improve and I need to figure out how do I stay calm under the weight of pressure and expectations from there I totally got into a subject matter called emotional intelligence I figured out what it was I learned how to measure it I now teach it at Colombia and I'm about to publish my second book on February 6 called the moment that defines your life which combines the elements of stoicism from the great Roman Emperor mark Aus and the social science of emotional intelligence specifically Jason going back to that episode that was my most colossal failure and the best teacher I ever had wow that's a great story I appreciate you sharing that I think all of us have had those moments where we just lost it and I don't know if there's a lot of benefit that comes out of when we lose it except when we are more contemplative about it go you know what I probably shouldn't have been like that and I'm going to make I'm going to write a book about this I'm Gonna Learn I'm going to learn learn about it anybody else want to want to chime in on your your greatest failure and what you learned from it how you recovered from

it about we'll go Anthony first and then we'll hit Renee Anthony you got it I don't know if I have a like definitive mine's probably gonna float in the same realm of Dr Amanda it's a yeah I think all the failures we have it's it's uh in my opinion it's an inevitability you're going to fail at something in a professional man you're going to shoot for that thing and it's honestly all parts of life but like I look at the the greatest FS of mine are the ones that hit me the most emotionally and so for me uh I had you know high school sweetheart had kids in college and then which I don't recommend by the way and then after that had a couple more kids when I was playing in the NFL after that then I had this whole like life fall apart marriage uh fell apart my wife had an affair and so like this whole thing of life like my marriage my family all got ripped away from me and I think for me at that moment in time it was always her fault it was always everybody else's fault it was never my thing and while I don't know if I would call it in the moment my failure when I got farther down life I realized like oh I had a big failure because while I wasn't responsible for the choice she made I was responsible for being in the marriage that brought us to that point where she thought she had to make a choice in the first place you know I had these newborn twins and a four-year-old she was at home with them every day from 6:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. I was going to build my career and do my thing and the marriage fell apart and so from that like I I had three years of just being a Hiatus TR to figure out like well why is it all Hur and I realized I had no control of it all because I wasn't giving myself the ownership of the situation so for me it taught me I am the common denominator in all my problems whether I am allowing it or I the cause of it uh but if I can give myself that little kind of ounce of ownership it gives me a little bit of an ounce of control that I can expand upon within my life and so after that three years divorce remarried Max's wife of an amazing remarriage seven years deep now and a lot of it stems from those moments of time I'm going like okay I can't go and kick things out to that somebody else's problem because I can never control it or actually fix it so in that kind of really tight weird spot of life I learned lot more about myself and about the world around me so so as a story you guys got divorced and then remarried one another is that what you said yeah yeah yeah three three years divorced yeah we uh we got a dope thing going man I would go through it all 20 times over to have what I have now but only because I learned the lessons only because in going through that process you have to go to like the the the gutti dirtiest parts of who you are and take a look at them and go okay is this who I want to be long term if it's not you change things nice well congratulations on the remarriage and sticking with it that's awesome man I love it how about you Renee yeah my it's interesting the whole concept of failure conversation quickly become so cliche and but I also think the answers to life are found in cliches so it's it's it's interesting that things are right in front of so I kind of went went a different route in terms of a bigger regret and was robbing my kids of disappointment and failure and you know we we grow up a certain way and we vow never to have our kids live the like we did so we try to do the best we can and then we shelter them from difficulty and struggling and suffering but really we shelter them from disappointment and about 10 years ago I told my kids I said I go guys is a dad messed up here I said I stole from you one of the most important things in life which is the ability to go through difficulty disappointment failure suffering and I vowed a life to try to to protect you from that and I did you the biggest service I said so here's here's what we have to do we have a choice either I teach you these lessons now which won't be fun because I'm just going to be harder on you than I've been in the past and I'm not going to save you from certain things or Society will teach you the police are happy to teach you about uh what it means to break the law teachers are happy to teach you what it means to not study by family your employers are happy to to teach you what it means to not be your job and not exceed by firing you and uh a significant others happy to teach you a lesson you know if you're just not nice and you're not good and you're not a strong uh man and so the society will teach you but they won't be nearly as nice as me and so we have to decide to either have the world teach you or we're going to have to manufactur some struggle for you on that and uh it's been a 10e sort of journey through it now we've I think we've done pretty well but man that as a parent I think we've messed up big time on that well I think all of us who are parents we've certainly encountered similar similar realization ations uh where we create a criminal exchange with our kids we give them give them give them and don't expect any back so I think that's a good story I want to ask this next question it's about distinguishing between when you fail how do you distinguish between that failure is simply a learning opportunity versus one that requires a complete pivot like there's something you got to Pivot away from because that failure taught you that and I'm going to let Sharon go first because I know she has a TV show she's got to go here a little bit so she's going to be dropping off the call but uh Sharon how do you how do you distinguish between hey this was just a learning opportunity where I failed versus crap I gotta make I gotta make a big shift something needs to change I think sometimes you actually need to have some help and determining that because I you know I share High emotion is low intelligence so when you're in the midst of a failure you're highly emotional so you may not make the right decisions um yes every failure is a learning op opportunity the learning opportunity may be I'm on the wrong path so you have to start with what your actual mission is truly what is your passion what is that you're trying to accomplish and have that failure may be a sign to you that you've lost your direction on your mission and you need to redirect so that's why it's so important to have a mentor to have someone that can help you with a cool head one that's not emotionally involved that can say well let's look at what your goal are and what what's the root of that failure and is that assigned to you to just recalibrate and keep going or is it a sign to you that your mission is has separated from what you've been doing and that failure is a signed to you that you need to get back on track so you need to stop what you're doing and redefine what your goal is and I really believe it's hard to do that when you're in the midst of it and you're highly emotional so it's important to have someone help you review it and make the because pivoting is really changing the your whole Direction but if you're end goal is the same it's not you just need to recalibrate because you still want to go to the same place you've just gone off course you just need to get back on course yeah and I think that's that's a good point because pivoting doesn't mean changing the vision your vision may be good your vision may be right it's the strategy that sucked but sometimes that sometimes that failure is just a quick tweak and other times it's a pivot in in the strategy and I like what you said that we got to get to the root of why we failed and this show is called the root of all success maybe this episode is the root of all failure which so thank you for that that was a a good play on words what about anybody else I mean what how do you distinguish between a setback that's a learning opportunity versus a setback that is oh crap I got to change everything I'd love to piggyback off of what Sharon said because as a law of attraction expert I always go to my feelings as a guide and so I think it's important to differentiate emotion High emotion like reactivity versus responsivity and when you're in a responsive mode you are checking in with yourself every day and you're questioning is what I'm doing working or is it not working and so you know to strategically pivot at the right time based on how you chronically feel over time so if you have a lot of fear and doubt and stress every day going on and something keeps coming in and you go hey something's out of alignment I need to Pivot I choose to Pivot right because you are Paving your future success based on how you feel in the now and that's your magnetic force and so if you are constantly feeling stressed you must question what do I need to drop automate delegate in my business what do I need to transform how do I need to Pivot reconstruct and revamp so that I can get into my zone of genius and really enjoy what I'm doing and so it's really important to check in with yourself and ask daily how do I feel what's go working what's not working and where can I pivot in order to access the power of my magnetism to have things feel flowing and easy and good instead of reactive and stressful that's a good point that's a good point thank you Dr Amanda what about anybody else how do you distinguish between pivots versus learning opportunities what about you Chuck yeah Jason in the episode that I described before I realized at the time that I was bursting in my own emotional hijacking I realized I had a problem so the first thing is to re to recognize okay I made a mistake I need to improve this but here was the The Challenge Jason I didn't know what it is I was looking for in order to improve I had no idea I was like all right this cannot happen again well how do I avoid it I went to Barnes & Noble I didn't want to share this with anyone because I already I didn't want to talk to anybody that day I walked down the aisle and I said I gotta believe the answer is in here somewhere but I don't know what question I'm asking myself and I don't know what I'm looking for but I always turn to books and I stop at a shelf and I see this book called emotional intelligence I didn't know what it was and I stop and I pulled it out and I started reading the first page and it started to describe the episode that I had committed only an hour before and I said what is this Jason that I I call it a pivot to me that became a colossal moment in my life of self-discovery and the first thing I question why didn't anybody teach me this for all the money I spent to get educated in college this has nothing to do with that so I think each of us when we pivot to those moments we may not know what we're pivoting to but I Revel in that journey of self-discovery that allowed me to go find this Chasm of material where all I had to do was pick one book that one book led to two two led to four four led to a and then I wrote my own so I'm very thankful for that because it was in in the ambiguity of not knowing what to do with it that helped me ultimately find clarity about how to solve my problem I love it thank you Chuck I appreciate that perspective who else go go so I think we all naturally have blind spots right we can't all be good at everything um we are designed to see the world we see the world um that doesn't mean that the rest doesn't exist is just that we don't see it right it's like if I say white Lexus you're going to all say see white Lexus from now on um so I think it's super important to surround yourself with people so I built what I call a board of directors um so then they can advise me on things if I don't see it naturally right so they all come to the situation we all have quarterly meetings I say where we at where we going because that's another important thing right and if something's not working they all put in their two sents of like hey why are the numbers tracking you know lacking here the other thing I want to add I don't do a lot of feelings and I think that is a that must be my Eastern European Eastern black upbringing um for me business is business and personal is personal and I don't do feelings in business right I my trackers have trackers I make business decisions on numbers not on how it makes me feel I think the proof is in the pudding um so because of that most of my business decisions are made on spreadsheets so sad um and I have a board of directors to have my bind spots nice okay anybody else want to talk about how you distinguish between a setback that's a learning experience versus one that requires a major pivot I think it's my turn is it or is it you Anthony yeah go ahead Renee um you know it's it's interesting just listening uh listening to this and just kind of reflecting on what it is that I look at and I I'm going to go back to the same thing is it learning biots the to mean it's the same thing it's just part of the process of iteration it's you can say it's part of the creative process it's part of the U business process part of learning it's part of growing but then there's I say okay well then what's the real failure the failure is once I've done the learning I've done the growing then I just got lazy or I got complacent there's a real failure if I you know if I I'm going on stage about to speak and I didn't and I got too comfortable like yeah I know what I'm going to do and I'm focused on something else and I realize up there I didn't really put the work in and so I think for me there's a sense of you know constant mode of what I can and can't control about an ounce of my energy goes to what I can't control just because it's feudal I did that for we to many years but then okay so then there's a dissection of what I can and putting all the energy into that but then once I've controlled all the controllables then did I show up to it and there's so many times where I've controlled everything I'm ready to go but I just didn't show up I got complacent too comfortable and the audience or my client didn't get full value of what they deserve what they paid for so to me that's a that's a failure and the the failure is one like that to me should burn it should burn hard because I let down people that believed in me and that to me is that the rest of the stuff me falling down and getting up that's it inconsequential it's part of the deal I mean it sounds like Anthony you played foot professional football probably had a career riddled with failure nonstop no memory of it just move forward it's just somebody's in your way you move around them uh you know all of you sound like entrepreneurs you just go through the process you keep going you keep moving to me the failure comes down to if I if I have the skill set someone believed in me and I didn't show up fully that's a massive failure nice nice perspective appreciate that Anthony you got anything to add to that uh I mean there's always something to add right a million different perspectives on this uh if we go to the the I guess the thought of when do I know it's right to Pivot I mean we we we've all had moments of time I guarantee everybody here right now 10 years ago is doing something different shoot two years ago is doing something different right uh I actually one point a massive like transition I'm in the middle of one now moving the brand from Identity shift to dark work and what I've realized is uh I like to see I like to here's the thing take football to an account you don't you don't get into a play on the line and go let's just change a play with no feedback like you you have to do something to figure out what the change should be so what I do is I lean into stuff I make it like before I even get set like I with my team things we do here's what we're going to do and we commit to staying with this for a period of time regardless of whatever we feel uh in the process of doing it and the reason I do that is because I realize that the teacher is going to give us the the the best lesson at day 14 15 16 of 30 not at day two when I go it's not working out like this I was just change something else the best lesson comes later so for us we stick in and we'll have those thoughts like we should change like go we have a commitment from the beginning right you stay with that 30 days is going to pass like life's going to be fine and you sure enough 15 18 19 whatever you find this little thing out you go I never would have got that golden lesson Had I stopped because it didn't feel right or it wasn't where we wanted and so I lean into stuff and so for us when we make pivots we we usually make them at a moment in time where we've given ourselves the op opportunity or the built-in kind of moment to stop pause re-evaluate and then replan but for me like I tell my kids you can't stop in the middle of the process of doing this hard thing because the problem is is you miss out in the lesson that you cannot get from a book or from somebody else it's that experiential moment or that thing that most people never experience because they don't get that far down the road so when we get to that point I learned a lesson then I make choice at that point in time but I try to stay in that pocket of difficulty longer than most people would so you said something interesting there Anthony you you said you use the word feedback and I've heard people say this before it's not failure it's feedback and I I agree with that is that everything that we're doing is feedback and and you can't make a pivot and that goes back to your point you can't make the pivot or know that it was a learning experience unless you analyze the feedback like what what did what happened here so I think that's a good lesson for the listeners is that in the midst of the failure look at it as feedback and go okay this happened because of this now I know what to do whether it's a huge pivot or whether it's just a minor tweak in in a different direction so Anthony very very good perspective there so let me let me ask this question to the group I want you to again think of a time when acknowledging a failure acknowledging a failure led to a major breakthrough and I know that sounds a lot like what I asked a minute ago where I talked about hey you know what was the most challenging failure that you recovered from but but was there is Chuck you already shared one that was a breakthrough for you that moment of failure led to a breakthrough but I wonder if others of us had the moment of failure where something happened and it was like this major wow this big breakthrough that moved past Chuck you already shared yours but anybody else want to think about a time that that failure l to breakthrough go go that same last time when I was talking about the hourly raid that's the one that made me realize that if you spend your time on good ideas you have no time to spend on great ideas that's good or that's great actually the first time I ever met go go she was speaking at a conference we we were both speaking at this and I'd never heard of her before she never heard of me and she got up on the stage she talked about this hourly rate thing and this is so you guys need to go look up everybody on the show by the way everybody's contact information is going to be listed in the show notes so make sure you go follow all these people on their socials send them an email go check them out because you want to go watch uh specifically what we're talking about with Goos talk on this hourly rate thing this is good because when you pay attention to good you're missing out on what's great anybody else have a a failure that led to a major breakthrough of some kind I would say every failure leads to a major breakthrough if you take the time to see it and so it's slowing down to recognize oh what did I learn from this and actually look at the benefits I love to have people do benefits list so you go what's this perceived quote unquote bad thing that happened and then you write down 250 benefits you can't do this in one sitting but you write down 250 benefits of the thing that happened and it starts to shift your subconscious mind to go oh that thing that happened to me was actually a huge gift and now you can Propel yourself forward and so you know for me whenever I have a perceived failure I look at it exactly like we're talking about here wow this is uh propelling me to the next level it's feedback for me to improve myself but the only way that you see that is if you take the time to look at it from that perspective instead of getting stuck in victim mindedness and thinking the world's against you and you've done something wrong instead you go hey the world is on my side supporting me in my growth and because I'm so clear that I'm going here this downturn was necessary for me to evolve to the next level of myself in life relationship money business anything and so when you slow down and go what were the benefits what were the benefits what did I gain from this what did I learn from this you start to have a really powerful brain shift and that's when you really get to take it to the next level from having a breakthrough from the failure it it really is all about perspective isn't it I think all of us would agree that this whole conversation about success and failures perspective it's like watching a movie you know if you've watched a movie I we watched The Village last night last night we're recording this on November 1st so last night was Halloween my wife and I we don't kind of do the Halloween thing but we normally just watch a movie well last night we watched The Village from 2004 Mite Shyamalan well I don't want to give it away obviously because if you haven't watched it you should go watch this really one of the top five or 10 movies I've ever seen But if you watch it for the second time you're not you're not worried about who's the villain who's not you know because you know how it ends but when the first time you watch it through in the middle you think oh that person's the villain or this person's the good guy or that one it it's perspective so in our lives we are in the middle middle of the movie we can't see so when we fail that doesn't make us a failure when we fail it doesn't mean that's the end there's more to come the movie still hasn't finished it's all about perspective so if God were looking down at our lives as he is and he looks at us and we screwed up we yelled at somebody we made a bad financial decision we're in the middle of the failure he's not going you stupid idiot you failure no because he knows how to end he knows it's going to be all right in the end as long as we push through which leads me to a question I want to ask everybody I want everybody to chime in on this what piece of advice would you give to entrepreneurs listening to the show who are struggling with failure and are considering throwing in the towel what's your piece of advice and we'll go around I'll start with Renee and then we'll I'll I'll call on you to kind of go around so Renee what's your piece of advice to entrepreneurs who are struggling with failure and are considering throwing in the towel this is the choice of which side of grenade you want on this one there's there's the there's the public we can say something nice keep going and there's another side to say then you should probably quit because you're not going to be cut out for it I mean there's there's two sides to this reality of the fact that failure and suffering are going to be part of this and by the way failure and suffering are part of every single aspect of life and until you reframe what suffering really means you know you suffer in the gym so that you better you know go back to our professional athlete here he suffered his whole career for you know just a few plays on the field you look at all of that you know Dr amandy suffered in the school room in the classroom so you can get that that sort of credibility so that people will listen and that you'll have the knowledge to share and the more I learn about the rest of you here there's there's a beautiful side of suffering to it and if if there's anything to it now turning now if I wanted to be a professional athlete right now at 48 years old and I kept going that's just stupid right so I probably should thr in the towel and do something else you know so as long as it's realistic in what you're going after uh you know I'm 30 years into this thing and you know most people have just seen the last four they haven't seen the previous 30 and but it was all suffering but man at the time I was like I was growing I was learning I was doing what I loved and you know falling up getting down and when you realize that this is this is a beautiful part of it and and most of life is a suffering piece the dopamine that we want sorry is is really in the pursuit of something once that vision is out that dopy is that little cheerlead that says you got this it's anticipation of reward and if you're feeling like giving up I mean there's there's a lot of science on that moment we give up what happens is we get depleted of that dopamine we're out of it and you know somebody comes along and says you got this they can refill that for just a moment but there's also the the the the the research around going out and seeking more suffering to actually replenish your dopamine it's weird that's why Cold PLS are so powerful it's a suffering moment holy wow that's a refreshing exhilarating feeling that happens afterwards so I think people need to really rethink what the difficulties and struggles are and really revamp what their vision is and if that vision is powerful you will you will pursed through that and you know don't don't be afraid to struggle don't be afraid to do that I I'll leave you with this is to look up this concept called Amore FTI Amore meaning love FTI means faith and it's the realization that in the acceptance of life as it is not as you wish it would have been and when you do that you can actually fall in love with your story you fall in love with the beautiful cish you and all follow with the tragedies and when you can make peace with the tragedy now you've actually made sense of the difficulties in life and then you realize that you went through whatever suffering that was you went through that so you can tell the story and then you realize that the contrast of the suffering makes the The Joy even better and so if you're thinking about giving you need to question how big is your vision how big is the why what are you going after and is that a pattern in your life if that's a pattern in your life then it's not about the struggle it's about your pattern pattern you better go back and fix that you better find somebody that can coach you through how to make new habits in your life and maybe a new re reframe in terms of how you look at it but if it's not a pattern then you know if there's a logical sign to it then it might make logical sense but maybe that's when you use the word you used before which is Pivot instead of completely giv but you know at the end as Jim Ron said in life you're pay one of two prices you're going to pay the price of discipline which is now or pay the price of regret and the price of discipline weighs ounces in comparison to the price of regret which weighs tons can't get away from love it all right Dr Mana what about you what's your piece of advice for entrepreneurs struggling with failure who are considering throwing in the towel I was hoping you'd call me next because I really had a lot to say that this is a great question and I I want to incorporate why I think it's so important here with what Renee was saying to focus on Choice your life is a choice your failures your successes are a choice how you perceive them is a choice and it's all going to be connected back to your vision and what you're choosing to create in your reality your outer world is a reflection of your inner world if you don't like what you're getting on outside change what's within Choice don't be a victim to your reality so if you're feeling like throwing in the towel pivot do something that makes you feel good ask for resources join a community do whatever it takes but the only reason that you're going to actually do that is if you are very powerfully connected to the belief and the why and the vision and so whenever you're in action action is evidence of belief so if you feel like throwing in the it's because you don't have belief that it's possible to succeed so change your belief start hanging out with people who are higher Vibe hang out with successful people in whatever it is that you're pursuing and model after them success leaves Clues this is why I think it's so important to get really clear on your why your vision your purpose and choose every day not to be a victim but instead be a Victor and decide and commit and take strategic action when you do that every day and you recommit to your why and you recommit to your inner power and you recommit to your goals you will automat automatically want to take action and yes you're going to have some down days where you feel like throwing in the towel but let it be a moment a moment in time and not an overarching theme of how you conduct yourself decide and and keep going I I really think in this place Community is very important especially for entrepreneur types who can feel very Lone Wolf sometimes and so seek out community and seek out other people who are powerful growth-minded going in the direction that you choose to go so that when you have those downturn moments you can reach out to someone and say hey let's win together so create those win-win relationships and reconnect to your vision powerfully and then you will automatically want to take inspired action every single day beautiful how about you go go what advice do you give I wrote down five things again I'm going to fly through it Muhammad Ali they asked him how many situps does he do he said I don't start counting until it hurts the other thing is um if you want to do what's easy life's going to be hard if you want to do its hard life is going to be easy um also I think it's very important like you know having Anthony and the call here today I know I'm never I'm five foot two little person I'm never going to be a football player I'm never going to be a model right so with that being said there's a a quote I heard from Tony Robbins it doesn't matter how hard you run east you're never going to see a sunset so I think it's very important to make sure that you're aligned with the goal that you're trying to achieve and then one of my other favorite quotes is if you want to have what the top 1% has you have to do what 99% is not willing so if it doesn't hurt that means you're playing in your comfort zone and if you're in your comfort zone you're not growing if you're not growing you're dying that's so true that is so true what about you Anthony what's your advice um I'm my thoughts the same as where Rene says like which one do you want because there's a guy that goes like I'm going be nice and there's a guy that sits back behind the scenes and tells it like to some

people you know here's the thing uh I just I'll just be who I am I I find that that uh a lot of individuals that get to I call it the fun line there's a line in the middle it's a black and white line on this side of the line everything's fun like you get the praise you get the joy you get the money get all right and this side of the line you have things that aren't fun and these people want to be over here they go I want to have what these people have and I go well what happens for these people what they do is they give all they don't give what they want to give they give what they don't want to give they give everything that they don't want to share like yeah it's it's this thought of like you get to a point where you feel comfortable you're giving your H I give them my everything but you have you haven't given the sacrifice you haven't you haven't asked for help which I love that you got to ask for help sometimes most people ego don't let them do it but on this side people have given it all so they get the praise they get the the accomplishments they get the outcomes they still get the same headaches but they get all that and they have given all of their heart so they actually start to enjoy the hard work because of what happens in the backside and someone talked to the dopamine it actually your brain can gauge the distance between you and your goal and you get that little hit and you go oh I'm keep going this side of the line people are like I want to give up you're giving what you want to give you're not giving every single thing you got aching back to what goo said yeah to be honest you want something that very few human beings have what makes you think you get to have that without earning that and it's it's kind of the thing where I go just shut up and work because there's other piece of it too you will not get the uh the confidence you won't get all the Joy from sitting there and hoping it'll come to you you know you get it because you do something that burns your soul in the process of doing it and when you got it done you exited you look back to yourself and go Dam I'm So Dope now look at me like you have this different sense of Pride and for me you have to earn that and you earn it by getting to the gift of the moment you're talking about I literally say it's the gift I look like TR I used to do gym stuff because you know athlete we used to work out and there's always that moment in the gym where you were about to die you couldn't move I couldn't breathe I'm about to throw up and at that moment it was a gift because I knew that I knew that anything I do more I'm actually getting better before that it was hard and I was doing my thing but at this moment I don't want to move now I'm getting better so you get to that gifted a moment of I don't want to do anything you got to pause and breathe and go okay I'm at my Wit's End therefore anything I do more I know I'm getting better and when you get to that gifted moment and you fall back and go just you tuck back you've wasted it and those who get to that moment and go beyond they get to live in that Fun Zone I love that man that's good how about you Chuck what about your advice for those that are considering throwing in the to well let let me State my own observations of nine years of coaching what a great entrepreneur does is three things they Inspire they persuade and they provoke change because what they're really doing in spite of the fact that they think they're building a company they're building a cause and what you know about any cause is you can't do it alone and in order to build that cause you got to do it with other people my advice to entrepr hang

onher hey Chuck you you broke up there for a minute can you start at the top because you left us on an awesome Cliffhanger there so go again I'll start from what a good entrepreneurs do is three things they Inspire others they persuade them to do something and they provoke change and if you think about what you do when you provoke change don't think about it as you're building a company what you are building is a cause think Martin Luther King and when you build a cause in order to do that you know you need to get other people on board but Jason what I see with entrepreneurs that are failing they keep talking about how hard they're working instead of 10 hours a day I'll work 14 hours a day doing the very same things that didn't succeed when I was doing it at 10 so what do you do in the space between the 10 and the 14 my advice to them figure out a way to change your behavior which is contrary to what you did before and here's what I'm saying most entrepreneurs to my opinion are too focused on the app the technique the technical competence whatever it is they are building and not enough on getting Buy in to build your cause how do you do that your left brain is driven by The Logical and analytical side good it's usually intact right BL brain is severely undernourished that's the communicative empathetic side that you use to build the cause entrepreneurs in my opinion should have a better balance between both sides of their brain and activate educate and develop your your personality in such that you are training communication and getting people to buy your cause as if it's the same level of skill that you use to build your technical confidence love it well guys ladies and gentlemen this has been a phenomenal discussion with you successful failures aren't we all we're all successful failures in each of Our Lives as entrepreneurs As Leaders we've we've failed we've got that feedback that led us and propelled us to success and if you go around the horn here with Chuck Garcia Anthony truck go go bety Dr Amanda Sharon Lecter and then Renee Rodriguez if we look at all of our abilities combined we could do anything on in anything that would ever be presented we could do it we could do it but we couldn't have done it unless we persisted through the failures persisted through those times when things sucked persisted through and got feedback from hey we did it wrong the first time so from the bottom of my heart I want to thank Chuck Anthony Renee Amanda goo and Sharon who had to drop out a little bit ago thank you guys for being a part of this Successful Failure 200th episode of the root of all success it means a lot to me that you guys took your time to come back on the show and to spend time with me and my audience again today thank you for sharing your insights on failure thank you for sharing your insights on success I look forward to seeing how all of your careers continue to Blossom in the impacts that you're making so again thank you so much for being on today's show thank you thank you for having us Jason pleasure thank you Jason it was absolute honor wow what a great 200th episode conversation to have with these amazing people and again a big thanks to Chuck and to Anthony to go go to Amanda to Sharon and to Renee for being on the show today um you need to go back and listen to those guys go back to the top of the show I tell you which episode those guys were all on each of them were on so you can go back and listen to their episodes Chuck and Anthony actually recorded early they I think they were 24 and 30 respectively that I recorded those in person and then everybody else was was on was digital like I do most of my shows today but uh but what a pleasure to have them back on the show to talk about being a Successful Failure and I want to follow up with that quote from Napoleon Hill that I did at the beginning of the show where he said your failure may prove to be an asset provided you know why you failed here's some more color commentary that the Napoleon Hill Foundation put out about this there are a few occasions during our brief time on earth when most of us experience flashes of great Insight Great Moments Of Truth that forever change the course of our lives but most of those experiences result from spectacular failures not from outstanding successes it is in the failures that when we are shrined and dismayed by them that we learn the most lasting lessons if we have the right perspective when you're an unwilling recipient of a great Moment of Truth that's what a failure is extract that useful lesson and then and put the entire episode behind you don't worry about it anymore learn from your failures forget about them and then move on to better things so wherever you are in your entrepreneurial Journey no matter what you're doing no matter what you're struggling through right now just look at it as I talked about in the show is that you're in the middle of the movie and and where you are today doesn't Define where you're going to be in the end so know that the end is coming and as somebody once said if it'll all be all right in the end and if it ain't all right it ain't the end so keep pushing forward I am the real Jason Duncan the host of the root of all success I invite you to subscribe to follow to listen to like this to leave comments but also listen if you if you're a person struggling with your business right now I want to invite you to look up my ex OS system it's called the exitor operating system it's a system I designed through my experiences of getting out of the weeds of daily operations so that my companies can Thrive and grow even in my absence where I can build an asset that's worth selling not just a job that's worth going to every day and if that's something you're interested in you can book a free call with me by going to my website the real Json duncan.com scrolling to the bottom of that site and just clicking on book a call and that's it that's that easy 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