Plant Stem Cells Reversed Cancer

Success to me means leading with authenticity, reaching people that are ready to hear the message. [music]

I used to define it financially. Now I define it by how many people I can impact and support in the world. [music]

She spent 29 years climbing the corporate ladder in financial services.

And then a stage 4 cancer diagnosis changed everything. Today's guest walked away from conventional treatment. She

turned to plant stem cell remedies and not only healed herself, but built a company teaching others to do the same.

Hey, welcome back to the root of all success. I'm your host, the real Jason Duncan, and this is episode number 345.

My guest is Jen Payer. She's a healer,

an educator, an entrepreneur, and the founder of Nature Provides, and Divine Health Alliance. After nearly three

decades leading high performance teams and financial services, Jen faced a health crisis that sent her on a journey into the ancient wisdom of plant stem

cell remedies. And now she's authored Ancient Plant Wisdom and co-produced the award-winning documentary Nature Provides. And she serves as a chairman

of the board of the Metabolic Terrain Institute of Health. Jyn, welcome to the show.

So excited to be here. Thank you for having me, Jason.

Well, welcome. And we we recently met we met in person down in Pensacola, Florida at an event and now here we are recording on the show and I would say

Lou, your husband was really uh he was instrumental in saying, "Hey, what do I got to do to get my wife on this show?"

And then you [laughter] were so shout and then I showed you my picture and you went, "Oh,

yes, the picture. We gota we'll try to get that posted here." But you you know,

you went from um and there's a reason behind that picture, everybody. And if you're watching this on YouTube, you're going to have to see the picture when we

talk about it because it is it's pretty amazing. Anyway, Jen, you went from um from boardrooms and balance sheets to plant stem cells and healing modalities.

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So, when you got that stage 4 diagnosis,

what made you reject the conventional path and bet everything on this different approach?

Well, I grew up in a Catholic military family and everything was about good or bad, right or wrong, this whole

dualistic way to live. And I grew up with a lot of messages that people in my generation did, which is no pain, no gain, right? Don't cry or I'll give you

something to cry about. And so, I was never taught to be in touch or connected to my body. And when I got this massive

diagnosis, life-threatening, I was literally given 23% chance to live if I did all of the conventional treatments,

and I got such a clear message when I went into prayer and meditation that now was the time for me to reconnect and to

really listen to my body for the first time. And my body said, "We got to do this holistically." And so, I really trusted that message that I received and

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started following a completely different path.

Now, this would be a good time for for those of you watching YouTube. What we're going to do, you you can see Jen.

Now, you can also be watching this on Spotify. Forget that Spotify is video services now. So, whether you're watching this on Spotify or YouTube, you see Jen, right? You see what she looks like? Now, look at her picture. So,

we'll we'll have this picture or flash this picture on the screen. This is the picture she showed me the other night.

And I'm looking at this picture and she goes, "This was me." And how many years ago was that? That was nine years ago.

Nine years ago. And and if you're listening, all of what I'm saying is going to be lost. But but if you did watch this, what you see in this picture

is that looks like what I could only describe as her mom. Like it's that big of a difference between because you can see the resemblance,

but it doesn't look anything like Jen looks like today. So, not only did you like the nine years you you went backwards in the way you looked,

obviously the cancer had a lot to do with that, but but you went backwards. I mean, you look fantastic. I mean, you really do look very nice. So,

thank you. And I just had a big birthday. I just hit my 60s. So, and I,

you know, one of Yeah. And one of the amazing things is,

and I say this a lot, I feel like I'm 30. I feel like I'm half my age,

and I know it has to do a lot with these plants. So,

all right. So, now looking back from the financial services career, building high performance teams, what skills from that

world uh translated directly into building a health and wellness company and a brand around that?

The biggest one I was in the private bank at JP Morgan when it was just JP Morgan back in the 90s and uh you know

in the private bank we would do anything for our customers um including and people would probably be shocked by this

walk somebody's dog and wash their car and so I grew up with this mindset of you know adding value to the customer

and how important that is in making them feel special so relationship you know, management, connections,

doing, you know, doing what it takes,

going above and beyond for sure are skills that I brought over. And then the team piece, being able to motivate

people, uh, collect kind of the common themes and what are we all here to do and making people feel part of something

bigger than themselves, I think is another really big skill that I have brought over with me into what I'm doing today. Well, and you left you left that

uh successful executive career to do something different when that's risky enough to leave something that would seem as safe as that, but you did it in

the middle of a health crisis. So, how were you able to find clarity in the midst of all that chaos and make that big change?

Honestly, I had been getting messages for probably 10 years that I kept ignoring that it was time for me to step

out of corporate and to find that entrepreneur within me. And I resisted.

I was very attached to my paycheck. I was very attached to, you know, the ego parts of, hey, you're doing a great job.

And I I was, you know, highly compensated for the work that I did. And I was really afraid to leave that. And um, you know, I'm a big follower of Dr.

Joe Despensza. One of the things he says is, "Why do people wait until they get sick before they decide to change?" And I was one of those people that waited

until I got sick and then it was it was very clear to me the choice at at that at that time.

Okay. So I want you to walk us through what and I hope I'm saying this right.

Is it gemotherapy? Am I saying this right? Gemotherapy. Good job.

Yeah. Okay. So I'm saying it right. So it's gemotherapy very different than chemotherapy.

So for somebody like me who had never heard of plant well I guess I'd heard of plant stem cell remedies but this gemotherapy if somebody's never heard of

plant stem cell or gemotherapy what are we talking about here?

It comes from the new growth on a plant in the springtime. And typically most of the plants come from trees and so you

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know you're in in Nashville you go outside in the springtime and you see all the buds on the trees. So that bud hasn't opened up. it hasn't become a

stem, a leaf, um, you know, part of the bark or anything like that. And so that's what we're talking about. And in

that bud, it contains the entire genetic makeup of the plant, the entire lineage

of the plant, and all of the vitality that you could possibly imagine in that undifferiated part of the plant. So

literally it's like it brings light and energy and clarity to the body and it cleans out what's not supposed to be in

the body and it adds in and regenerates what has broken down.

H now you studied I believe in my research about you uh you studied with 13 indigenous grandmothers at the center

for sacred studies which sounds let's just face that sounds weird. So what did that what did what did that

experience teach you that you couldn't learn from a textbook or certification program? [snorts]

That was what really was a gamecher for me in connecting to nature. So when I go back to my childhood I was the kid that

was in the creek climbing the tree laying in the grass making animal shapes out of the clouds looking up at the

stars. And as I grew up, I became more and more disconnected or removed from

that little girl who was so connected to nature. I was sitting in, you know, in a desk under fluorescent lights for years

and years and years and on a plane, not really outside much. And what I learned from the grandmothers, um, so many

things, but you know, plants are our elders. They've been here long before humans. They're the original medicine of the planet that you know all indigenous

cultures um know this have used them and that plants are always communicating with us which is that's the weird part

is I actually talk to plants and I can hear them talk to me and that has been a huge uh you know a huge spiritual gift

of mine at this point that I can sit with somebody like you Jason and certain plants will say oh I can help I can help

and uh I know That's interesting. But plants have over 20 senses versus our five or six, however you want to look at

it. And they are constantly in this communication network.

So I learned a lot and I learned to respect plants in a way um that I hadn't learned.

So So okay though, so I'm I'm following it, right? So there's a plant stem cell and these new buds, this new growth, and

how do we get that into us? like what's the mechanism to get it into us?

All of those plant buds are handpicked in the Italian Alps. And if you don't know this, it's a very important piece that the Italian Alps is one of the most

pristine and cleanest areas on our planet and 90% of medicinal plants come from that area.

So really amazing. Um all of those buds are handpicked. Within a couple of hours, they have to get off the mountain, off the Alps. They have to go

down and they're merated in organic grape alcohol, organic glycerin. And then they wait. So that's about 30 days.

Then they pull the plant material out.

They burn it in a 100? C oven and they extract the cell salts and all of the oligo and mineral elements of the plant

and put it back in. So this is what they look like. They're in a bottle. So it's a tincture in a liquid. and they are profound in their healing abilities.

And so you take a drop and put it in some water or you put it under your tongue. What do you do with it?

You can either put it in your mouth or in water um depending. Some of them taste really great and some of them not as much. And so it's really a preference more than anything.

Now is this how cancer was cured in your body?

Yeah, I don't like to use the word cured. Um, but it's certainly what these did for me is they cleaned up the toxic

burden in my body. When you go back the picture that you will share, I have black eyes. I don't have a lot of white in my eyes. I look very haggarded and

heavy. The skin is the first place that shows toxicity in our body and I was very toxic. Um, the other thing that uh,

you know that they do when you take them is they bring the extracellular matrix back online in the body. That's our fashcia. That's our, you know, now we

know that our fashcia is a li living breathing network that's communicating constantly. And when you go back to something like cancer, it's like the the

cancer is proliferating in the background and just duplicating and replicating and going and going and the immune system doesn't see it. That's the

issue with cancer. And so it can keep going and get very serious before you have any clue you even have it. So, I had no outward signs other than one

lymph node that was enlarged, but other than that, I really didn't have the typical symptoms.

And are are these plant stem cells, are they um delineated between, okay, take

this if you have cancer, take this if you have lupus, take this if you've got a, you know, whatever. I mean, are they differentiated or are they all designed

to do the same thing to have the body heal itself?

No. So plants have an affinity for organs in the body and for systems in the body and you can go to any adult herbal plant book and you you know we

all know that milk thistle most of us have heard of milk thistle is good for the liver. Well that is the same with the gemotherapy that plants have an

affinity for certain body parts certain organs and that's how we know what each plant is doing in the body. And yes,

there are plants specific to cancer, to digestive issues, to muscularkeeletal issues, to the eyes, to the organs like

the liver and the kidneys. So that's why we have so many SKs.

So is the is nature provides which is at natureprovides.com,

right? That's the that's the website natureprovides.com.

Is that just is this your blends of this or did you believe in it so much you said hey I'm going to distribute like tell us a little bit about how that

becomes your business? Yeah, the the blends the we call them complexes. We designed most of those. We have a few

that we didn't, but most of them we have designed. For example, lymph is a big issue right now. Most most of us are not

moving enough. And so we designed a lymph health blend. Uh we've got one for the heart, um one for urinary, one for

the you know we've got a bone health, a joint health. So all of those are different formulas that we created to

make it easier for people. As a practitioner myself, I like to use single plants more because I know

exactly what that plant will do. So we have about 80 single plants and about 3540 complexes.

I'm pulling this up on my phone right now because I'm I'm really interested. I didn't honestly I didn't look at the website ahead of time. So, so you just go here and there's a little video and

the complexes and the singles and the essential oils and neutra what is that? Neutrauticals. Neutrauticals like pharmaceuticals.

Okay, that's good. Clever. So, all right. So, and and 100% of this is plant. Yes.

All right. Now, your approach as I understand it addresses the root cause rather than the symptoms. So, what's the biggest misconception that people have about how their body actually heals?

The biggest misconception is everything is a one-sizefits-all. And I see this a lot in the holistic space that this

notion of standard of care. We've kind of picked up that concept and brought it over even to the holistic space. And

it's probably the biggest barrier I have when I'm working with people is, you know, the reason I got cancer and the

reason somebody else got cancer is probably different, right? I ate healthy and I exercised always. I had those two things really going for me. Somebody

else that got cancer could be because they were eating junk food all the time or they were drinking alcohol every single night, right? And so there are

foundational plants that are good for everybody, but then you've really got to kind of peek under the covers and say,

what else is going on here? Is there trauma? Is there, you know, a food issue? Uh, you know, mold is a huge

issue in chronic illness. Lyme disease is a huge. So there are other things and the biggest misconception is give me the

protocol, let me just apply it without really understanding how somebody got to that place in the in the first place.

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So, Jen, you launched Nature Provides in 2019 and you have since written a book and you've produced an award-winning

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documentary. So, what's what's been the hardest part of building a company in a space that most people don't even know exists? Yeah, and that's been the hardest part,

right, is people the only practitioner that I have found in the last six and a half years that really had one class in

gemotherapy or naturopaths. Other than that, people say, "I've been in this space for 40 years. How come I've never heard of this?" So, that is the biggest

issue is education, which is expensive to do, outreach, being able to connect with people. And that is a big reason

why I wrote the book. One of the messages I received from the plants, and this is a fascinating lesson, is that,

you know, human beings, we like to own things. And the plants were very clear. You don't own us. You are our steward.

and your role is to get the message out to people at a time where we're living with a lot of chronic illness and toxicity and that's their sweet spot.

And so I took that role very seriously,

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that message seriously. I wrote the book and I filmed the documentary which has been extremely humbling. We did it

really just as part of this message to get it out and we've won 18 film festival awards to date including three at cons which was a huge surprise to us.

Um and and the big thing that the the documentary leaves people with is hope.

Now let's talk about hope. Lou your husband serves as your CEO. All right.

Yes. So, um, a lot of companies have no hope when there's a husband and wife at the top.

But what's the secret? Seriously, what's the secret to running a business with your spouse without killing each other?

Yeah. Well, it the first three months we about did. I thought we were in War of the Roses, but we got through it. And, you know, we're both um process people.

We both are trained six sigma. Uh, my husband Lou, master black belt, me a black belt. We had to kind of step away from the emotion and say okay what do we

really want to be build here? How do we get this out to more people and you know of course leading with our values which

luckily we are aligned and you know in our integrity and authenticity and all of that. So um you know today it's

making sure we are communicating clearly. Uh you know it's not just the two of us. Our son works for us. We have multiple groups of operations and

marketing helping us and it's it's really creating that team environment and again helping people understand how

they fit into the bigger picture what their role is and uh keeping everybody kind of in the you know the credo the values and that we're all aligned

marching to the same you know same direction.

Well on top of running the company you also serve as chairman of the board for the metabolic terrain institute of health. So what is terrainbased cancer

care and what what tell us a little bit about that and why it matters.

Yeah, this is our terrain. So our body is our terrain and you know it's when the terrain gets disrupted and you can

just look outside again to nature. I have a lot of analogies to nature but as a gardener you don't ever plant the same

plant in the same location year after year because you will deplete the soil or the terrain and you have to rotate.

And our terrain is no different. like if we ate the same foods three times a day every day our terrain would get depleted. So it's about keeping this in

balance and uh I was lucky enough to meet Dr. Nisha Winters several years ago and she uh she had cancer when she was

19 cervical cancer which is one of the more challenging ones and I became a big fan of her work and how she approaches

cancer and really truly it is all about our metabolic health. It's about our cells. So, if our cells aren't healthy,

we won't be healthy. And a lot of things break down our cellular integrity. You know, toxicity, um, our air, our food,

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our water. Nothing is super clean the way it was a hundred years ago. We've got chemicals in everything. Um, I'll

just add one thing here. I was shocked when I really started reading labels during the cancer journey to find out that in a can of beans, there's sugar in it. Why do we have sugar in our beans?

And so it's pretty fascinating when you start to read labels and you can't pronounce something. You know it's not real food.

Now you're pretty analytical and you're results driven. I mean obviously from your corporate background, but you're also I would consider an intuitive

person because this healing idea of being having the intuition to look into plants as opposed to you know gym

therapy versus chemotherapy. Well, a lot of people see that analytical results driven thinking and intuitive healing as totally opposite. So, how do you, Jen,

reconcile that executive mindset with the healer's mindset?

It's, you know, I consider myself a bridge and I can take something that's complicated and analytical and I can

break it down into something that's simple for someone to understand. And being an intuitive again I think that's

the this beautiful connection I have with the plants. Uh I can see things I can see patterns um not from a

mathematical standpoint almost from how things fit together and then again being able to take that and break it down so

somebody can understand it but I can bridge both those worlds and yeah it's very interesting and different. A lot of

people can't do that on both sides but it's this constant balance between head and heart. Head and heart. Head and heart. And what I have found is when I let my heart lead. Um my head follows.

There's a saying, seeing is believing. I have flipped that that believing is seeing. And that is my mantra. When I

believe in something and I have faith and I trust my heart, everything always falls into place.

So speaking of believing, what's something that you used to believe that you don't believe anymore?

I don't believe in that one-sizefits-all.

Um, I don't believe, I'll add a second one, that, you know, humans are the, you know, the superior species on the

planet. I think we were designed to live in communion with nature and that nature is always guiding us. One of the things

that the grandmothers taught me, and there is a video called the 13 indigenous grandmothers council the world, by the way, if you ever want to

check that out. So it is a thing and um one of the things that they that they talk about is that you know plants have

a consciousness that's about 10 years ahead of humans. So they know what's coming and they adapt because they're so adaptogenic and it's fascinating in my

own healing practice um that I have Divine Health Alliance uh different plants will change depending on what's happening in our environment. Um so you

know all of a sudden everybody needs lynen tree all of a sudden everybody needs lemon tree and and then it will cycle four months later and then something else happens in our world and

then another plant comes forward. So it's pretty interesting.

Well so the name of this show is the root of all success. Uh no no uh pun necessary on talking about plants and stem cells and the root word there. But you know I want to talk about success.

So, what what do you believe, Jen, has been your one key to success that's unlocked success more than anything else in your life?

Trusting. And I think trust and faith. Okay.

For sure. Having faith. When I went through the cancer diagnosis, trusting that I would be okay. I have a blurb in

the in the documentary that talks about I had just gotten the diagnosis. I was calling my mother. I was trying not to panic. and a hummingbird came up about,

you know, an arms length in front of me and just hovered. And hum hummingbirds don't do that. And it hovered in front of me and I all of a sudden just burst

into tears. I said, "Mom, I think I think I'm going to be okay." And it came back two more times. So, we know three is a, you know, the trinity. It's a

magic number and hummingbirds represent joy and vi and vibrancy. And so, I feel like, you know, I got that sign and

believing in it and trusting it. And at that point, I knew without a shadow of a doubt, no matter what the doctors were telling me that I was going to make it

through and I had a bigger purpose. And I have goosebumps as I'm saying that.

Oh, that's great. So, how do you how do you personally define the word success? What does that mean?

Success to me means leading with authenticity and reaching people that are ready to hear the message.

I used to define it financially.

Now I define it by how many people I can impact and support in the world.

Well, by that definition, do you consider yourself successful? Yes.

I love it. Well, um, as an entrepreneur yourself, what would you say is your best piece of advice for entrepreneurs who are listening today?

Trust yourself. Lean into other people that have done it and done it successfully. Whatever your definition

of success is, learn from them and don't be afraid to take risks even if they don't always make sense.

Jen, before I get to our final rapid fire, I I've pulled up I've got your website here in front of me and I'm looking at the the actual complexes

themselves. And there there's one called Allergy Lift and there's one be healthy and one that says be lively daily energy

support. And then there's one I can't pronounce uh butinic acid. Am I saying that right?

Betelinic acid concentrate. And then there's uh bone health and blood pressure support and breathing. Okay, so I'm going to I'll out myself. I've had

uh slightly high blood pressure for the last five years uh which was new to me and I've been on a couple of different medications for that. So give me an

example of what someone like me on any of these complexes could expect um to to if if we said, "Okay, I'm gonna I'm

going to go down this route. I want to let plants do it rather than chemicals do it." What could we expect in in all reality?

I always look at how long somebody's been dealing with something. You said about five years. So within three months, you should be able to get that

back into balance. There are two complexes. One is called BP balance specific for bringing blood pressure um

into coherence. And I'm going to talk about that in a second. And the other one's calm heart. So those two would be two that I would recommend for you

Jason. And the difference between a pharmaceutical drug, a pharmaceutical drug is typically blocking a pathway. So

if you have blood pressure, it's going to block the pathway that's driving your blood pressure up over time. That will put you out of balance and then you'll

need something for that. That is the challenge that we have in our, you know,

in our western model right now of the pharmaceutical drugs in plants. Plants are known as balancers. So that's why if

you have high blood pressure and somebody over here has low blood pressure, the same plant or the same grouping of plants will work because

it's going to bring theirs up and it's going to bring yours down. And I know that's hard for people to wrap their head around, but plants bring coherence into the body. They regulate things.

They aren't really blocking anything or opening anything up. So, is it is it recommended that we have a consultation

with somebody on your team to be more directive or is it just, hey, I need,

you know, bone health. I'm just going to get your bone health complex. I mean,

what how do we how would we really engage with the products in a meaningful and and valuable way?

For simple things like if you have one or two issues, we have a chatbot on the site. You can actually go ask the

chatbot um to get an answer. uh and the chatbot will give you the answer. Um if

you have a complex case um or five or six things, sometimes I'll get an email and somebody says, "I have cancer, I

have diabetes, I have high blood pressure, I have Lyme disease." Right.

Then it's worth getting on a call for um one of our health coaches.

Yeah. Interesting. And is that is that an additional cost over and above or is it just a pathway to uh frankly sell

more product? I mean, how does how does that work? Yeah, I mean we do a a free 10-minute consult for somebody.

Typically, people can get what they need from that and then they can go purchase if they want or if they're really looking for more than just the plants

and they want more guidance then, you know, they can schedule an hour and there is a cost to that.

Okay. Interesting. All right. Are you ready for some rapid fire questions as we close out?

All right. What's one book that shaped your philosophy on health or business?

Oh gosh, that's a hard one because I have thousands of books. Uh, from Health, Fast Like a Girl by Dr. Mindy

Peltz, one of my favorite books. And then I love the book 10X is Better Than 2X by Yeah, that's good. I've got it on the

shelf right behind me. I've read that two or three times. It's It's really good. All right, what's next question? Favorite place in nature to recharge?

anywhere near a beach or a forest. It's both. I really like the water because it has cleansing properties. Um, but I also love hiking and being in in the forest.

All right, final question. If you could sit down with any healer or teacher from anywhere in history, who would it be?

It would be Hildigard of Bingham who was considered the first naturopathic doctor

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and she was born in 1108. She was actually sainted so now she's St.

Hildigard of Bingham. She wrote a book in 1158 called Physsica and she actually wrote about the buds of eight trees. So she was using Gemotherapy in 1158.

She was also the first one who said,

"Drink clean water, eat clean food, get out in nature, get sunshine." So, she has coined really the first true

naturopathic doctor. And I would love to sit down with her and say, "How the heck did you figure that out?" Well, maybe one day on the next life,

you'll have that opportunity to do so because I know you would enjoy it. I would.

All right, Jen. Well, thank you for being on the show today. Congrats on the success and congrats on on beating cancer. And I know you use the word cure lightly as I I can imagine why you would do that, but congrats on beating it.

Congrats on being here 9 years later and looking 10 years younger than you did nine years ago. Uh I would have never guessed that you just entered your 60s.

So, wow. Congrats. And congratulations to Lou. He's got a he's got a very pretty lady as a wife and and I know

he's happy that you're still here because I mean, good grief. I can't imagine the pain. We didn't get into that, but the pain of that diagnosis and how you're going to deal with it, but I

know that there's listeners today that are dealing with that perk. So perhaps they should reach out to to your company. So natureprovides.com is that one. And you also have divinealthallalliance.com.

What other ways could people engage with you, Jen?

Well, the other we do have one other website. It's called health.nature-provides.com.

There you can see everything. The naturepervides.com is more of a practitioner site. So other ways, if you go to that site, you can

watch the documentary. Um, I'd recommend it. It's 58 minutes. We kept it under an hour and it really goes through what these plants are, how they work, why

they work. It's got science in it and it has my healing journey kind of embedded throughout it. Um, my kids are in there,

so I'm proud of it. My husband's in there and uh and my mother before she passed away um was be was able to be in it. So, it's uh I feel like it's part of

my legacy and uh it's something I'm very proud of.

And tell us again that particular website so we can go take a look at that.

That is nature-provides.com and there's a banner at the top. If you click on that, you'll see the little awards that we've won and some photos

from different film festivals we went to. You can click on it and you'll get a um access to it from that.

All right. Great. Well, Jen, thank you again for being here. Appreciate you being on the show today.

It's great to meet you in person. look forward to connecting with you and Lou again in the near future at another event. I'm sure we'll run into each other again. Everybody go check her out.

But thank you, Jen. Thanks for being here. Thank you so much, Jason.

Well, there you have it. Wow, what a great story. Um it's not every day you sit down across the microphone and talk with somebody who can show you a picture

of what they look like 10 years ago and they look 10 years older than they do now. And and it really goes to the the confidence that she had in how God

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designed this world. God designed this world to give us everything we need to take care of ourselves. Now, that doesn't eliminate death. I know a lot of people are trying to look to how they

can live forever. Well, I got a secret on how to do that. We'll talk about that in another show. But, but if you really want to figure out how to make the most of this life that we've given, it's all

right there. That doesn't mean you can't take ibuprofen for a headache. That's not what that necessarily means. But there are ways that plants that God designed for us to to heal and to cure

and to make life better. And so for people like Jen going through the catastrophic chaos of cancer diagnosis and learning how to push through that,

we get the benefit on our end of knowing, oh, there's these things I can go buy, these complexes, and that we can can take these and help save off any any

infections or other things. And of course, do your own research, go take a look at it, but go check her out. But thank you for listening to the show today. I appreciate you listening as

always. And uh make sure you tune in again next time when I talk with yet another very successful person about his or her journey to success. Until then,

as always, I am the real Jason Duncan and [music] Jesus is king.

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